heres something that will get it going,jake is 10 or 11 years old,and has produced some heavy hitters,hes a tudors black dog/mayfields snake cross,genisis is a patrick/alligator bitch from a dynamite litter also.lets see tombstone=spike/black widow alligator = tudors black dog/black widow boilo = black widow and her littermate sister carvers judy, all that bred to jake the snake tudors black dog/mayfields snake,who had and produced incredible mouth,we done our homework.we put alot in our favor.